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1/24/2007 12:13 AM
 
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FILOBUS DI TURKEY

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ciao from edirne turkey. [SM=x346228]
I'm very sad because I don't know italiani. I can write only english and turkish.

I Want to send you photograph of Izmir and Istanbuls's fiat and fiat viberty filobus. but I don't know how I can send photograph. So I write you first information "filobus di turkey"

yes first city is Istanbul: there was 100 fiat trllebusses in Istanbul from 1961, to 1990. but today there isn't one pattern as 29 or 8021.
I'm Walkround yor sitepages and I saw your photo.

second city is Izmir. There was 18 man Mk trollebuses(number 1-18), fiat trollebuses 20+1(number 19-38 and 43)Fiat viberti articul...? 3(39-40-41)türkish eshot production bussing trollebuses 20(number 42 and 44-62. and after these, 75 filobus di Istanbul came to Izmir. And circa 1990 this old trollebuses been send Izmir bay for to be fishnet. There is no any pattern today. there is only photographs.
1/24/2007 12:33 AM
 
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Welcome yilmaz
Hi yilmaz,

welcome on MondoTram. You can write in English, if you like, since many visitors of this forum understand it.

In order to insert pictures, click on the last button of the text window, "Allega un file dal tuo computer per questo messaggio" and, when clicking on "Rispondi", you'll be asked to select a picture from your computer, That's all. If your pictures are aready on another server, you can simply paste their URLs in your message, but plese remember that images should not be wider than 500 pixels.

Looking forward to receiving some more news from you.

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1/24/2007 1:37 AM
 
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The first day
Filobus number 3's first days in Istanbul



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1/24/2007 1:50 AM
 
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Cacchio, questo è uguale a un Alfa Mille! Wow! It looks like the Alfa Mille neapolitan trolleybuses!
Di sicuro era carrozzato Aerfer (o Pistoiesi), o comunque su quella licenza. Da notare la veletta posteriore installata avanti! Very, very good, Yilmaz! [SM=x346220] [SM=x346220]

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1/24/2007 8:17 AM
 
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Thank you Augusto,
I can't Know how I say but Istanbul's Fiat filobus of systems isn't aerfer as 8021. I know aerfer's logo because I saw 8021's photo. but this logo, never I saw in Istanbul's Fiat filobus
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1/24/2007 10:06 AM
 
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You are right, there isn't the Aerfer logo. But the design of the car is the same of 8021, designed by the Aerfer's registered project named "Ut-Ves" (Ufficio Tecnico Veicoli Stradali, in english Road Vehicles Technical Office). For sure the trolleybus was builded according to that project (evidently under licence). However, your photo is a very important testimony. Well done, and welcome to Mondotram.
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1/24/2007 10:17 AM
 
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FILOBUS IN TURCHIA
there was a plaket in this filobuses and that was writing:
"manufacturer ansaldo san giorgio"
but filobuses of Izmir I suppose manufacturer in Genova
1/24/2007 11:05 AM
 
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Re: FILOBUS IN TURCHIA
Ansaldo San Giorgio was a branch of Ansaldo of Genova, but had its premises in the Pistoia province. The shown trolleybus seems to have an Aerfer-designed body (nothing strange: both companies belonged to the State-owned group Iri) and Fiat 2401 or 2405 groups (we cannot say "chassis" because these models carried a self-supporting body). It is very similar to the small batch of Aerfer VE 811/Fiat 2405 delivered to Catania, Sicily, in the late Fifties.
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1/24/2007 12:46 PM
 
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Nostalgia in Eminönü, Istanbul



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1/24/2007 5:11 PM
 
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To Yilmaz too
Prof. Cozzolino send to me this photo of the trolleybus, together with these informations:
"la foto della vettura n. 10 di Istanbul, che appartiene ad un lotto notevolissimo di filobus (ben 100 esemplari) che la Pistoiesi produsse a fine anni '50, utilizzando per la prima volta il cosiddetto "progetto UT-VeS.2", che modificava le linee dei veicoli rispetto - ad esempio - ai contemporanei ALFA 911 di Napoli. Rispetto agli ALFA mille, poi, gli ALFA 910 sono più corti (manca il finestrino "cieco" dietro al bigliettaio), come nelle vetture (con disegno precedente) costruite per Bari, La Spezia e Carrara".
Summary in English: the trolleybus is Alfa 910, the shorter version of Alfa 1000 (the 8021), builded by Pistoiesi (linked to Aerfer and Ansaldo) at the end of fifthies, in number of 100 vehicles. The project was the "Ut-Ves 2" (as I told you today in the morning). These trolleybuses had one window less respect the Alfa 1000 model, and they were builded also for the towns of Bari, La Spezia and Carrara.

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1/24/2007 7:21 PM
 
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Augusto

thank you very much to you and prof. Cozzolino for number 10's picture. And I send you old picture of same filobus (with line plaket)



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1/25/2007 3:35 PM
 
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Alfa Mille and 910
The Alfa Romeo 910 model is not "the shorter version of the Mille (Italian for "1000")". It is an older generation vehicle; it derived from a vertical/front-engined bus whilst the Mille came from an underfloor/central-engined one. If you look at a 910 bus, you can notice the very short front overhang and the very long rear one, as in lorries derivative (The 910 was actually a lorry derivative, it came from the 900/950 lorry that was sold in Turkey too). The Mille was a specific design chassis for bus, with symmetrical overhangs - like, i.e. Fiat 306 or Lancia Esatau P.
Aerfer used front and rear axles for this UTVeS-2 project, putting them under a self-bearing structure with quasi-symmetrical overhangs.
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1/25/2007 6:33 PM
 
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Eh, quanta accademia! Mi riferivo solo al fatto che se si fossero affiancati i due mezzi si sarebbe pensato a questo (e in effetti la cassa è la versione più corta degli Alfa Mille)...
D'altra parte avevo scritto che gli Alfa 910 furono costruiti negli anni '50, mentre gli Alfa Mille Aerfer sono del 1962.
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1/25/2007 7:20 PM
 
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a trolleybus news in a newspaper. "trolleybuses in Istanbul, a usefull vehicle" number 5 in picture

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1/26/2007 11:13 PM
 
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Il Prof. Cozzolino interviene sull'argomento tecnico
Riporto la mail ricevuta, con allegata la foto del telaio:

La meccanica mille fu presentata dall’ALFA-Romeo in varie opzioni. Debuttò con la sigla “AU 10 P” che andò ad equipaggiare le strutture portanti “Monocar 1003” Menarini (ATACS-SA), “Tubocar U51” Casaro-SEAC (ATM-MI), “UTVeS AU211” OMFP-Pistoiesi (ATACS-SA, AGITA-AV), ecc. Questa opzione si caratterizzava per la posizione a sbalzo sull’avantreno del motore e per la guida a destra (a richiesta anche a sx). A tale standard era affiancato uno simile che, tuttavia, si identificava per l’adozione del telaio originale ALFA-Romeo e del quale risulta sconosciuta la sigla. Successivamente l’ALFA-Romeo cercò di adeguarsi alle nuove tendenze e per eguagliare le meccaniche FIAT “410” e Lancia Esatau 703 creò delle nuove opzioni. La sigla “AU 7 Pcs” identificava i gruppi dotati di motore a sogliola in posizione centrale e guida centrale, i quali equipaggiavano le strutture portanti “UTVeS VE611” AERFER (ATAN-NA) e “AU811” OMFP-Pistoiesi (ACEGAT-TS), “Tubocar U61” Casaro-SEAC (prototipo), ecc. Tali gruppi si distinguevano anche per l’adozione (a richiesta) del cambio ZF modello HYDROMEDIA 3 HM 60. Quasi simili ai precedenti i gruppi conosciuti con la sigla “AU 1 P”, i quali a loro volta furono usati per equipaggiare le strutture portanti “AU811D/1-AU911-AU1111” OMFP-Pistoiesi (UITE-GE, ATAC-Roma) e “Monocar 1023” Menarini (UITE-GE), ecc. I gruppi meccanici siglati “AU 7 T” equipaggiavano autobus - a struttura portante o dotati di chassis originale - forniti di guida a dx (a richiesta anche a sx). Anch’essi si distinguevano per il motore a sogliola posto tra gli assi: ALFA-Romeo mille Varesina (prototipo), “Tubocar U71” SEAC (ATM-MI), “UTVeS FI711” AERFER (ATAN-NA, TPN-NA). La sigla “15034” distinse l’autobus prototipo dotato di ruote singole sull’asse posteriore e struttura portante della OMFP-Pistoiesi (AU1011). Infine, i gruppi meccanici siglati “AI” equipaggiavano autobus interurbani a struttura portante e non, dotati di guida ambidestra e motore a sogliola centrale.

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number 40 in opening seremony or tour. Troolleybus was donate with flovers as a bride. "visiteurs" write front plaket.



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Attribuzione dati Alfa Mille
Come mi ha scritto il Prof. Cozzolino, sembra giusto attribuire la paternità dei dati relativi agli Alfa Mille al compianto Gerardo Chiaro, che aveva questi filobus in grande considerazione.

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opening seremony in 1961. an officier speak because time is after 60's revulotion




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filobus number 67 in Galata Bridge-Istanbul.
in Bebek-22E-Eminönü line
1/30/2007 12:36 AM
 
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Galata bridge photo
The photo showing a red and white trolleybus on Galata Bridge was shot in 1968 or later years, as one can tell fron the Mercedes "stroke eight" appearing beyond the front left corner of the trolleybus.
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